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Dwina Murphy-Gibb's avatar

It seems to me that everyone grows to their own pattern whether DNA from parentage seeds of the ancestors or from all the influences and energy from the elements and the universe... both are needed just to 'be'. However, Nietzsche seems to be quite critical and judgemental of other's thoughts, truths and morals. Dogmatism will either collect fanatics that become followers, make enemies, or lead the nations to war, once it establishes as a religion as we can see already once it spreads, corrupts and becomes dangerous. Perhaps he is right in the fact that we do not have complete free will. It is the quality of the will that seems important, as it is the quality of the heart of emotions behind the will. His famous quote was about the death of God or a Divine being we killed... but something that is exalted and beyond time... (we kill Time all the time)... would not be omnipresent at all or subject to Karma or Dharma... except for the thread that lets us 'be'... the origin perhaps stays behind rooted so we exist... a seed is still the seed in existence in the time before the tree grows. Just a thought... it is all about division and growth, but something else, thinking of Schrodinger's cat again in that box. That all possibilities exist.***

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Romaric Jannel's avatar

I think Nietzsche was being deliberately provocative.

Yes, he does not value any kind of lineage between generations, for example. His point is precisely to question it, which to some extent may be consistent with Buddhist views (since such introspection is necessary to become awakened). Personally, I find something very important in his way of questioning what we take for granted; the problem is that he does not really provide clear solutions or paths to follow.

As for the superposition of possibilities, there is certainly such a thing. I am working on it...

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Dwina Murphy-Gibb's avatar

I would like to hear more of your thoughts on all possibilities existing… RJ introduced me to that concept and I think about it a lot.

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Romaric Jannel's avatar

I will, but by email. It is unpublished work.

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Michael Kupperburg's avatar

Euclid's Geometry was what Lincoln used to learn how to argue properly as a lawyer, so Nietzsche may have something there.

Suppose, for the sake of argument, as metaphysicians do, that their philosophy is not rooted in human nature, but in the Universe, God, etc.,. Finding or receiving such a philosophy need not have a human rootedness. If the philosophy produces positive results over the centuries and in different cultures, there may be something to it, which Nietzsche did not, or at least at this point, has not mentioned.

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Romaric Jannel's avatar

You raise a very important point. In such a perspective, the question is probably how far, if at all, individual determinations are from universal determinations. We can also assume a kind of reshaping continuity between the two dimensions (which is more or less my own position).

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Michael Kupperburg's avatar

If one accepts, as science teaches, that something went bang, boom, or bust, some long long time ago, and everything here is a division of that original whole, then the two, universal and individual determinations must be in a form of entanglement, which continually shapes both. At least in my view and perhaps yours as well, from your response.

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Romaric Jannel's avatar

Yes!

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Michael Kupperburg's avatar

Thank YOU!

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